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Galfer Brake Pads HH or race pads - October 30, 2007, 08:03 AM

Which pads to get? HH or the Race pads 1003?
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Vesrah RJL....simply the best.
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Vesrah RJL....simply the best.
any good onlines sites to get them from?
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October 30, 2007, 04:48 PM

RJL: will give you a more graduale brake feel then come on hard. In other words they don't come strong until later on in braking.

HH: will cone on strong at first then gradualey smoothen out.

I tried both. I personally liked HH. I like to control my destiney, give me the most stoping power now and then i can gradually regulate the brake lever. With RJL i brake hard and wonder where is my brakes then BOOM they heat up and grip hard.
either way both of them are good pads and will get you stoped it's just a matter of what's you like best.

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October 30, 2007, 04:50 PM

Oh don't go with the racing pads
they are too expensive and don't last as long as RJL and HH.
Plus if you don't have a sponsor you don't want to spend 185 dollars on brake pads especially for the speed and the use that you are going to be using them for.
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RJL: will give you a more graduale brake feel then come on hard. In other words they don't come strong until later on in braking.

HH: will cone on strong at first then gradualey smoothen out.

I tried both. I personally liked HH. I like to control my destiney, give me the most stoping power now and then i can gradually regulate the brake handle. With RJL i brake hard and wonder where is my brakes then BOOM they heat up and grip hard.
either way both of them are good pads and will get you stoped it's just a matter of what's you like best.
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any good onlines sites to get them from?
I just bought them from TPM for 90 bucks for the front set.
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RJL: will give you a more graduale brake feel then come on hard. In other words they don't come strong until later on in braking.

HH: will cone on strong at first then gradualey smoothen out.

I tried both. I personally liked HH. I like to control my destiney, give me the most stoping power now and then i can gradually regulate the brake lever. With RJL i brake hard and wonder where is my brakes then BOOM they heat up and grip hard.
either way both of them are good pads and will get you stoped it's just a matter of what's you like best.

I have yet to have any gradual brake feel from the RJL's. The bite instantly (coupled with my stainless lines and motul brake fluid) and I easily 1 or 2 finger the brakes hard into turn 1 at summit right out of the pits.

I don't even have my lever set to full strength, it's usually on 3 to start the track day, ends up on 2 by the afternoon when I get more comfortable braking later into turns.

I've tried HH pads as well, not impressed. The HH seemed to have less bite, and more brake fade, not to mention they didn't last that long for me. The RJL's were well worth the extra money in my opinion. (I'm a late braker since I'm not riding a liter)
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October 31, 2007, 06:35 AM

I run the ebc hh pads and absolutely love them. Great feel and no fade. Give just the right amount of initial bite for me and are easy to modulate. Of course pads, as long as they don't fade are a lot like suspension, try a few different types and see which you like best for your riding style.


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October 31, 2007, 07:40 AM

I've tried EBC in the past and I currently ran HH on my R1. But for my track/race bike looking either to stay with Galfer HH or try something new.

Don't know if it is true, but I was told the EBC HH's eat your rotors faster than other pads. I used to run them a lot on my old R1's.
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October 31, 2007, 08:02 AM

The more race oriented a pad, the more rotor wear can be anticipated. In order to withstand higher temperatures, the pad material must be constructed harder, and more abrasive to maintain friction at extremely high temperatures--the higher initial bite characteristic of HH and more extreme pads (compared to a more street oriented pad) is due to the more abrasive (and harder, more abrasive doesn't mean much if the material is simply torn away) nature of these pads--thus more rotor wear.

"Street" pads are designed for higher mileage applications with significant time between braking--pretty much are designed to tolerate a 160-0 panic stop w/o fade...but do it twice in 30 seconds, and you are asking for trouble. As such, these pads are made to be softer than the rotor (for the most part), as pad $ < rotor $.

So its never a free lunch...the higher the bite of the pad, and the higher the temperatures it can withstand, the less it will grip at lower temperatures and the more wear it will put on the rotor.

The exceptions to this are exotic:
metal matrix rotors--these use ceramic materials embedded in a metal to increase the friction AND provide a harder wearing surface, and will thus wear slower, even with harder pads
ceramic rotors (e.g. porsche, ferrari, etc)--in these, the rotor is WAY harder than the pad, so all the wear occurs on the pad
carbon/carbon rotors--the weird thing about these, they are actually slippery BUT the pads they use are also, mainly, carbon-carbon based--which is also slippery (graphite lubricant anyone?)--BUT once they get heated up, graphite on graphite tries to chemically bond with itself and the coefficient of friction skyrockets--and the hotter they get, the better they work (which is why GP bikes use relatively small rotors, its not just for decreasing weight and rotating inertia, the smaller rotor will get hotter and thus perform better)

in summary,
1. the more race oriented the pad, the more rotor wear can be expected, while there is a variation between different race/track compounds in terms of how bad it is, this general rule holds true.

2. the higher the initial bite, the more rotor wear can be expected (due to a more abrasive pad)


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The more race oriented a pad, the more rotor wear can be anticipated. In order to withstand higher temperatures, the pad material must be constructed harder, and more abrasive to maintain friction at extremely high temperatures--the higher initial bite characteristic of HH and more extreme pads (compared to a more street oriented pad) is due to the more abrasive (and harder, more abrasive doesn't mean much if the material is simply torn away) nature of these pads--thus more rotor wear.

"Street" pads are designed for higher mileage applications with significant time between braking--pretty much are designed to tolerate a 160-0 panic stop w/o fade...but do it twice in 30 seconds, and you are asking for trouble. As such, these pads are made to be softer than the rotor (for the most part), as pad $ < rotor $.

So its never a free lunch...the higher the bite of the pad, and the higher the temperatures it can withstand, the less it will grip at lower temperatures and the more wear it will put on the rotor.

The exceptions to this are exotic:
metal matrix rotors--these use ceramic materials embedded in a metal to increase the friction AND provide a harder wearing surface, and will thus wear slower, even with harder pads
ceramic rotors (e.g. porsche, ferrari, etc)--in these, the rotor is WAY harder than the pad, so all the wear occurs on the pad
carbon/carbon rotors--the weird thing about these, they are actually slippery BUT the pads they use are also, mainly, carbon-carbon based--which is also slippery (graphite lubricant anyone?)--BUT once they get heated up, graphite on graphite tries to chemically bond with itself and the coefficient of friction skyrockets--and the hotter they get, the better they work (which is why GP bikes use relatively small rotors, its not just for decreasing weight and rotating inertia, the smaller rotor will get hotter and thus perform better)

in summary,
1. the more race oriented the pad, the more rotor wear can be expected, while there is a variation between different race/track compounds in terms of how bad it is, this general rule holds true.

2. the higher the initial bite, the more rotor wear can be expected (due to a more abrasive pad)
Thanks for the information
EBC and Galfer so far are in my book.
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