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Is a power COmmander Necessary - February 8, 2010, 09:16 PM

I have an 06 Ninja ZX6R 636, about to install an Akropovich Slip-On. Is it necessary to install a power commander as well, or is it just fine without one.



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You don't need one with a slip-on however...you can run one if you want.


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Pros VS. Cons with just a slip on?



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February 9, 2010, 05:22 AM

Slip on or stock exhaust or full system. A power commander will improve fuel/air ratios and help smooth out your horespower and torque curves. Rnr and or any shop around here with a dyno can make u a custom map to fit the bike and accessories u have on it.


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February 9, 2010, 06:29 AM

1. If you have extra $ get one, only get it if you also have $ for a tune

2. If your not racing no need to get it, the slip on should still make it better than stock. I just have a slip on and not a problem.


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The pc has nothing to do with racing. Your stock fuel inection system and map are tuned for the stock exhaust. Usually and I use this term very freely "detuned" in order to pass emissions and sound regulations. For example

a stock rc51 has a slight flat spot/ dip in the horsepower and torque curves around 5800 rpms. This is due to the flapper system which most hondas have. When the flapper is removed and a pc3 is installed the curves become more linear and throttle response becomes much smoother. On some bikes, a slip on and a pc3 can yield upwards of 10hp. When talking about slip on exhausts. The mid pipes are what make the power. Anyway u look at it a pc3 is a good decision


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The pc has nothing to do with racing. Your stock fuel inection system and map are tuned for the stock exhaust. Usually and I use this term very freely "detuned" in order to pass emissions and sound regulations. For example

a stock rc51 has a slight flat spot/ dip in the horsepower and torque curves around 5800 rpms. This is due to the flapper system which most hondas have. When the flapper is removed and a pc3 is installed the curves become more linear and throttle response becomes much smoother. On some bikes, a slip on and a pc3 can yield upwards of 10hp. When talking about slip on exhausts. The mid pipes are what make the power. Anyway u look at it a pc3 is a good decision
In competitive racing you want to make sure you have the best fuel ratio and smoothest map to produce the most HP.

In regular street riding you can sacrifice soft spots in a fuel map to save a few $$$.

Its for you to decide whether you want to spend money to get the most out of your bike or save the money and still have a perfectly capable bike.


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February 9, 2010, 07:33 AM

I def agree with that mike.......... It's not necessary in the least bit but if u want your bike running as best as possible, that's pretty much a given


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may want to also consider Bazzaz. I dont know anything about these items but I hear about a lot of people using Bazzaz. Also check for used models and wait for dyno tune specials at shops.


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Fight the power commander


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Yeh u can find a used pc for dirt cheap. Bazzazz is pretty cool as it's an fi programmer that can also run a quick shifter and a traction control system


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February 9, 2010, 08:24 AM

Let's break down the word "necessary" shall we?

When I hear the word, I assume the writer is looking for the minimal. To me, is a "Power Commander Necessary?" and he/she mentions a slip-on, I hear that he'd like to add a slip-on without having to install a PC. I love when the advice givers run with it but miss the original question. I know everybody wants to help but let's no lose sight of what was asked...


No, Tommy, it isn't necessary. It would be optimal based on performance but, no, you won't hurt anything.


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In other words...+1 to what Devious said


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After you install the slip go put it on the dyno to see what your air/fuel looks like then decide.
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1. If you have extra $ get one, only get it if you also have $ for a tune

2. If your not racing no need to get it, the slip on should still make it better than stock. I just have a slip on and not a problem.
Well, you don't "need" a power commander even if you're racing. My race bike, 05 R6 only has a slip-on and I had no issues with it. Although, most people go full exhaust/power commander route on their race bikes.


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