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Starting problem - September 3, 2009, 03:02 PM

I have a 2008 R6, but every 4-6 months it seems to have a starting/idling problem. Then it'll go away and come back 4-6 months later. Well, its happening again and I figure I'd see what you all think it could be.

Symptoms:

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I put the key in, try to start it and nothing happens, you don't hear the engine turn over, you don't hear any clicks, its just a dead switch.

Or, I put the key in, try to start it, and its a weak start, as if the battery is nearly gone.

idling:
If I manage to start it, sometimes it won't idle, I have to hold the throttle open to keep the engine running, once I get the bike in motion and ride it for about 30-60 seconds, it will hold an idle and operate normally.

current fix:
normally with the starting problem, I just jump start the bike, and then it operates normally for the next 4-6 months.

I had Ellicott City Motorsports take a look at it, they said the charging system and starting system and battery tested ok. So I have no idea.
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I have a 2008 R6, but every 4-6 months it seems to have a starting/idling problem. Then it'll go away and come back 4-6 months later. Well, its happening again and I figure I'd see what you all think it could be.

Symptoms:

starting:
I put the key in, try to start it and nothing happens, you don't hear the engine turn over, you don't hear any clicks, its just a dead switch.

Or, I put the key in, try to start it, and its a weak start, as if the battery is nearly gone.

idling:
If I manage to start it, sometimes it won't idle, I have to hold the throttle open to keep the engine running, once I get the bike in motion and ride it for about 30-60 seconds, it will hold an idle and operate normally.

current fix:
normally with the starting problem, I just jump start the bike, and then it operates normally for the next 4-6 months.

I had Ellicott City Motorsports take a look at it, they said the charging system and starting system and battery tested ok. So I have no idea.

WELL obviously they are wrong, is it still under warranty? If so take that BISH to the dealer until it's fixed 'cuz after the warranty is gone you're F'd.......

....how often do you ride? if you don't ride very often do you use a charger? if you have to jump it to start the battery doesn't seem ok....


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FYI autoparts stores do free load testing, take it to one and get a second opinion, same with the stealership, if it's still under warranty, take it to another place.....hurry...


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September 3, 2009, 03:08 PM

Its out of warranty now, and I ride it every day to and from work and occasionally on weekends. I've put it on a charger once after getting it jump started and taking it home, and the charger reads that the battery is full.

I bought it November 2007. So the warranty expired last year
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September 3, 2009, 03:12 PM

maybe it has a bad ground. this would cause it not to start and also would cause it to run funny when it did start if the bad ground was forcing the computer to reset the idle speed all the time. check your cables.
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+1 to a bad or loose ground..makes everything act kooky
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Hmm I should look near the fusebox or check my battery terminals then?
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battery terminals
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Ok, so I got to work and now it doesn't start at all. Exact same symptom as last time, I press the starter and nothing happens except a buzzing sound that comes from what appears to be the starter relay? I'd have to check.

Like, its buzzing loudly as if the relay was moving back and forth rapidly.
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First thing I would do is check the battery connections and tighten them down. DO you leave the high beam switch on? It may be a bad battery as well.

after that I agree with the loose ground. Just check all the grounds after that. If that doesn't work, post up.


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September 4, 2009, 09:24 AM

I disconnected and reconnected the battery terminals, disconnected and reconnected the negative terminal of the starter relay, I couldn't disconnect the positive side, its too tight and the toolkit in my bike doesn't have the took to match that socket.

I disconnected and reconnected another relay in there (no idea what relay that is).

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Ok, so I got to work and now it doesn't start at all. Exact same symptom as last time, I press the starter and nothing happens except a buzzing sound that comes from what appears to be the starter relay? I'd have to check.

Like, its buzzing loudly as if the relay was moving back and forth rapidly.
do you have the service manual and a multimeter?

or if you can find the relay, just the meter....you can check the connections

did you get the battery load tested?


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Unfortunately I don't have a service manual or multimeter

The battery & charging system was supposedly tested and they said it tested fine.
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Unfortunately I don't have a service manual or multimeter

The battery & charging system was supposedly tested and they said it tested fine.
I'd guess the short trips didn't fully charge your battery each time and now it's sulfated and won't hold a full charge.
I'd replace the battery.


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