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So i never done steel brakelines before decided to change it on the track bike this past weekend. Big Fail n cant figure out why, start with rear line 1st.
Unbolt bonjo bolt remove old lines n washer, replace w/ new HEL line, new bolt n copper washer, re-tighten it, bleed the rear brakes n lever goes all the way down, no rear brakes what so ever, try to spray soap n water to see where leaking from but no luck.

since last nite i havent try the front on anything else. dont want to make it worst or 100% no brakes.


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I'd guess air in line.
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October 26, 2009, 09:20 AM

Agree with the air in the lines. When I changed my front lines, I gave up on trying to bleed them manually after 30-45 min. I bought a Mitevac and bled them in about 15 min.
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October 26, 2009, 09:35 AM

air in the line, as above. Not enough fluid in resevior to bleed correctly, still sucking air. Or the drain/bleed hose is not submerged in fluid, and its pulling air back up into the system.


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So i never done steel brakelines before decided to change it on the track bike this past weekend. Big Fail n cant figure out why, start with rear line 1st.
Unbolt bonjo bolt remove old lines n washer, replace w/ new HEL line, new bolt n copper washer, re-tighten it, bleed the rear brakes n lever goes all the way down, no rear brakes what so ever, try to spray soap n water to see where leaking from but no luck.

since last nite i havent try the front on anything else. dont want to make it worst or 100% no brakes.
If it were leaking you would get fluid coming out since it is using pressure.
Manual bleeding on that rear really shouldn't be that bad. The front with cross overs and 2 calipers can be a time consuming task but not really difficult.
Put fluid in the resevoir and make sure it never gets so low as to start suckin air.
Pump the rear brake 2-3 times by hand and hold it down.
Crack the bleeder ever so slightly as to just let a bit of air escape. Don't try to open it much or to let a lot of air/fluid come out at once. It will cause the lever to bottom out and you risk getting more air back in the line.
Do it quickly and close it off. Pump it up again and repeat as many times as it takes to get it nice and hard. The key is not opening the valve much or for very long.


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the thing is lever was pumping n bleeder thing was close, when i hold lever down while i open up the bleeder, no fluids come out, but the resevior is full of brake fluid, my question is inside ofthe line there is a hole there, when you tighten the bonjo bolt, does the bolt holes have to line up with the holes on the line? i dont want to over tighten to bolt.


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all this headache and trouble would have just been easier to have a shop do it...


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And also does the resevior cap need to be open either during bleeding or whatever.


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all this headache and trouble would have just been easier to have a shop do it...
$89 dollars did it once.


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John, it takes a while to pump the air out, and you'll need to fill the reservoir a few times as you are doing it. Just keep pumping. Close the bleeder valve each time before you release the lever. That way the cylinder will only pull from the reservoir. Two-handed trick, one on the end wrench that's around the bleeder valve, and one on the lever to pump. Don't get excited and keep pumping and forget to maintain the fluid level in the reservoir or else you're back at square one.


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And also does the resevior cap need to be open either during bleeding or whatever.
Should be open because you'll need to keep adding fluid. A lot of times you'll see air bubbles coming up from the drain too.

Some people might say you need a vacuum rig for bleeding. It's nonsense. All you need is some tubing, a water bottle to catch the fluid in, some tools, and some fresh fluid.


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the thing is lever was pumping n bleeder thing was close, when i hold lever down while i open up the bleeder, no fluids come out, but the resevior is full of brake fluid, my question is inside ofthe line there is a hole there, when you tighten the bonjo bolt, does the bolt holes have to line up with the holes on the line? i dont want to over tighten to bolt.
The banjo bolt is designed so that no matter how the hole is pointed it works. You just need to torque it down so it is either proper specs or doesn't leak.

You may not get anything out the first few times. Remember, only open the bleeder just enough to get a little air/fluid out. Turn it very slowly.
As your hand on the brake starts to go down ever so slightly, tighten the bleeder valve back, pump and open slowly again. It is a very small movement process and isn't going to happen all at once. It will take a while for fluid to get down to the valve and air may be all that's coming out for a while, that is why you have to use your hand on the brake lever as a gauge that the value is open. Very small movements.....


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Take the caliper off and have someone hold it above the master cylinder. In theory it will help get the air out of the system when you compress the control.
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Take the caliper off and have someone hold it above the master cylinder. In theory it will help get the air out of the system when you compress the control.
You mean, air rises
With clear lines you can see the bubbles trying to go back towards the MC/Resevoir!


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Should be open because you'll need to keep adding fluid. A lot of times you'll see air bubbles coming up from the drain too.

Some people might say you need a vacuum rig for bleeding. It's nonsense. All you need is some tubing, a water bottle to catch the fluid in, some tools, and some fresh fluid.
Going to try again today, thanks bro, hey want to come out tonite for burgers n watch the game at glory days? really close to the pub where you were.


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