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Where to take an R1 for clutch repair - June 24, 2013, 08:22 PM

My clutch was working fine at my track day. Then the lever went completely soft and the clutch was always engaged (driving the wheel). I rode it back to the pits and got it into neutral to park it.

I looked at it a bit at the track, asked around and didn't really make any progress. I search the R1 forum for info. Found a couple of things to look at, but I tried them and they didn't really help. I took the clutch plates out tonight and looked around. Maybe if I had seen the inner workings of the clutch while it still worked I would have some clue as to what is not right. I have decided I need professional help. So now my dilemma:

I would rather take the bike to Brooks Cycle or RnR, but they are both a quite long drive from Alexandria. So do I just take it to Coleman's? I assume they have probably worked on plenty of 02-03 R1 clutches and should be able to handle this. The priority is getting it done right followed by done in time to take it up to Summit Point on July 4th. I can get it to Coleman's tomorrow, but it could be a couple of days before I can get the bike out to Chantilly or Sterling. Of course if Coleman's can't look at it right away, I might as well take it out to Brooks.

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Duuuuude! This is the wrong time of year for speedy repairs
Some may differ, but I have never had an issue with Coleman in Falls Church. They have worked on a Honda, a Kawi and an Aprilia for me. If they can prioritize your repair then go for it. Thing is, most shops are pretty heavy right now. It's the busy time of year.
On the other hand, if Brooks can get you in quicker it might be worth the drive.


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Duuuuude! This is the wrong time of year for speedy repairs
Some may differ, but I have never had an issue with Coleman in Falls Church. They have worked on a Honda, a Kawi and an Aprilia for me. If they can prioritize your repair then go for it. Thing is, most shops are pretty heavy right now. It's the busy time of year.
On the other hand, if Brooks can get you in quicker it might be worth the drive.
This. I don't take much to a shop so I may be out of the loop but last I remember, 2-3 week wait times weren't uncommon. Hopefully one of them can squeeze you in sooner.


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June 24, 2013, 10:05 PM

brooks has my vote. What is stopping you from taking it to brooks tomorrow?
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June 24, 2013, 10:24 PM

Lee Grey CYcle Solutions should be able to get it back before then....
I can ask him to do me a favor since he is in my club. Info is on the FB page.
Hit me on FB if you decide to do it so I can call him and ask for the speedy favor.
Capital Heights MD right off the beltway ex 15b or 13a....
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Did you use full synthetic oil in your yammy? most bikes have no issue with full...but I see yammys clutches go shit faced using it...at least yammys that get high rmps used vs. commuting only...

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June 24, 2013, 10:25 PM

In case you feel like taking another stab at it, this is a pretty good writeup:

How to: replace your clutch plates : KawiForums.com Kawasaki Forums: Kawasaki motorcycle forums
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Lee Grey CYcle Solutions should be able to get it back before then....
I can ask him to do me a favor since he is in my club. Info is on the FB page.
Hit me on FB if you decide to do it so I can call him and ask for the speedy favor.
Capital Heights MD right off the beltway ex 15b or 13a....
If you hit him before I do tell him Von sent you....

Did you use full synthetic oil in your yammy? most bikes have no issue with full...but I see yammys clutches go shit faced using it...at least yammys that get high rmps used vs. commuting only...

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Bike looks like a 02-03 r1. I have been using full synth in my 02 for the past 12k miles without a problem.

Clutch grumbles but that is common with the springs bouncing around.
I do commute only however...
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June 24, 2013, 11:10 PM

Since you were already inside, you may be able to take care of this on your own. I would start with the clutch cable. Sometimes cables can begin to fail and stretch out to the point where you can't get enough travel when pulling on it.
If you had the clutch out, check the thicknesses of your clutch plates and friction plates. I would also check the clutch boss to make sure the plates can move freely on the clutch boss. Look for pitting on the clutch boss. With out looking at anything, the last thing I would check would be the pull rod and pull lever. Make sure the teeth are in good condition.


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There's an adjuster on those things down where the cable pivot is at the lower case. Sounds like the adjuster backed off and needs to be re-adjusted. Clutches don't just go soft like that, it's not a plate issue.


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June 25, 2013, 06:10 AM

To answer some of the questions.


Full synth.
Work followed by a 2 hour round trip in rush hour is what would keep me from getting it to Brooks today.
It isn't the cable, because even when I directly turn the lever arm that turns the shaft it isn't pulling the clutch plates apart. In fact I have no idea how it would ever pull the clutch plates apart. This is the first time I have ever seen the insides of a motorcycle clutch, hence the lack of knowing what the issue would be or how it should work.
As to the procedure, I found a good thread with lots of pictures on 02-03 R1 clutch replacement. It didn't help me figure out a thing. I found a video on setting up the pull, shaft and lever arm. Also didn't help.
I will start making calls as soon as places open this morning. Capitol Heights isn't much closer than Brooks, but I will let you know if info that route.

I suppose the other route would be to offer up a six pack of your choice if someone who knows what they are doing wants to stop over today. I will print out the relevant pages of the shop manual. Send a PM if interested.

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My mistake, you R1 doesn't have the same adjuster as some of the older Yamahas. I still think it's inside your cover where pressure is applied to release the clutch.


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My mistake, you R1 doesn't have the same adjuster as some of the older Yamahas. I still think it's inside your cover where pressure is applied to release the clutch.
I agree, but that doesn't mean I know how to fix it, particularly since I never saw it working to start with.


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Thanks all. I took a long lunch and hauled the bike out to Brooks. Hoping it will not be anything major or anything that will take to long to get parts.


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Thanks all. I took a long lunch and hauled the bike out to Brooks. Hoping it will not be anything major or anything that will take to long to get parts.


20 or 23

could have been 12 but you can usually feel the bearing coming apart


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20 or 23

could have been 12 but you can usually feel the bearing coming apart
Unlikely to be 23 since the rod turns smoothly when the cover is off. When I loosen the cover, I can feel the pusher moving the cover out when I rotate the rod in that direction as well, so it is something deeper in the clutch than that. Anyway it is now in a professional's hands.


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