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Opinions? Recent helmet safety info - October 9, 2012, 09:26 AM

So the first time I bought a helmet I did a lot of reading and made decisions based on that. It's coming up on time to buy again and I'm reading again.

I saw this and wondered if anyone else here has seen it and if so what do you think of it?

SHARP Helmets - THE HELMET SAFETY SCHEME

Rating Helmets Beyond Pass/Fail MotorcycleDaily.com Motorcycle News, Editorials, Product Reviews and Bike Reviews

ECE 22.05 Motorcycle Helmet Standard - webBikeWorld

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/au...ts&st=cse&_r=0


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October 9, 2012, 09:32 AM

Is this like the UK version of Snell? I assume it builds on top of UK / ECE requirements like Snell builds on top of DOT here in the states.


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October 9, 2012, 09:47 AM

I think the ECE and EU safety stuff for helmets is the same as DoT and Snell. But I am not sure. Rule of tumb is; if you are buying it in europe chances are it does not meet US requirements - i.e. grey market cars.

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Is this like the UK version of Snell? I assume it builds on top of UK / ECE requirements like Snell builds on top of DOT here in the states.
sort of but not really

It's the UK Dept of Trans' effort to introduce a safety rating based upon impact data. It is purely impact based (arguably the #1 reason you wear a helmet).

Of course all this means nothing if the helmet has a poor fit to your head.

Find your head shape and a helmet designed for that shape. Makes like Arai do a good job at that.

Additionaly, aerodynamics is something that is often overlooked. Poor aero shapes cause buffeting and noise which leads to fatigue - also a safety factor. Many 'copycat' helmets do not do their own aero testing.


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sort of but not really

It's the UK Dept of Trans' effort to introduce a safety rating based upon impact data. It is purely impact based (arguably the #1 reason you wear a helmet).

Of course all this means nothing if the helmet has a poor fit to your head.

Find your head shape and a helmet designed for that shape. Makes like Arai do a good job at that.

Additionaly, aerodynamics is something that is often overlooked. Poor aero shapes cause buffeting and noise which leads to fatigue - also a safety factor. Many 'copycat' helmets do not do their own aero testing.
Big +1 to all this.

Fit and noise fatigue are often overlooked safety aspects. If a helmet conforms to standards but doesn't fit your dome, you risk getting your melon knocked around in an accident. Additionally, I was amazed at just how much wind noise is a factor in causing fatigue, and fatigue is a big factor in riders making mistakes and having an incident.

I'm a big fan of standards that are based on significant impact testing.

In my opinion, the more testing and standards that a helmet is subjected to, the better.


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From what I've been reading it arises, in part, from disagreements about what is tested for. Some proponents are saying Snell testing is geared tests for worst case incidents which are statistically rare. They are saying Snell testing leads to a too rigid and over-built helmet that actually allows more injuries of a specific type to occur in the much more common lower speed accidents.


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From what I've been reading it arises, in part, from disagreements about what is tested for. Some proponents are saying Snell testing is geared tests for worst case incidents which are statistically rare. They are saying Snell testing leads to a too rigid and over-built helmet that actually allows more injuries of a specific type to occur in the much more common lower speed accidents.
I've read stuff to this effect too. Lower speed stuff has the potential to cause some TBI stuff that can even be undetected until years later. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot of actual data about it.

I feel that the snell standard has helped improve safety, but I'm totally fine with people doing research and pointing out any potential downsides to snell's methods. More information is always better, and an educated consumer is a good thing. Data like what you mentioned allows a rider to make a decision about risk that is much more educated. I.e., Do i want to focus on the worst case impact, or the more likely lower speed impact and long term effects.

Anyways, thanks for posting this up. Good information for all of us


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October 9, 2012, 10:24 AM

First let me say I don't mean to denigrate Snell in any way.

I'm just reading a lot of new stuff. It's making me wonder so I'm asking if someone else has been reading this too. If anyone has and knows more about this stuff can you help us sort out all these different 'expert opinions'?



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This is what happens when weak minded adults allow children to make decisions. You get stupid shit like this.
unintentional accidental

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I linked some of the articles I found in the op.


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October 9, 2012, 01:54 PM

I remember a couple years ago, motorcyclist mag did a big helmet test... I don't remember details of the test, but some inexpensive helmets did surprisingly well...
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