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I was taken out by another rider. Please ride SMART - May 23, 2016, 09:06 PM

This past Sunday I joined a group ride in VA even though it was raining. Since I completed my first ever track day in the rain two weeks ago, I figured it's good practice to become familiar with wet street riding.

30 minutes into the ride we start climbing this mountain. It's three lanes of traffic with two going up and one coming down. Since it's very wet, I'm taking it easy on the 2nd outside lane behind the lead bike.

One gentlemen on a ZX10 comes hot inside of the turn on my left, leans too hard, and lowsides his bike. I didn't even have a second to react before his bike hit mine from underneath me. He laid on the road while I slid into the ditch with the bikes.

Fortunately the frame sliders saved my bike from A LOT of damage. The only casualty both our bikes SEEMED to sustain is a bent shift lever. I limped it home 90 miles in the pouring rain. My instrument cluster and handlebars needed to be realigned when I returned home.

**Lesson: Please do not pass others in a curve, in the rain, in a "high motorcycle accident" zone for god's sake.** Leave your ambitions at the track or at least on your own - not at the expense of others.

It's left a sour taste of group rides in my mouth.

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May 23, 2016, 09:13 PM

Glad you are ok. Let me guess route 211?
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May 23, 2016, 09:20 PM

group rides. ugh.

group rides in the rain. DOuble ugh


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May 23, 2016, 09:20 PM

Volunteering to ride in the rain....ok
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May 23, 2016, 09:20 PM

I don't like group rides where I don't know/haven't ridden with anyone. And I avoid them over maybe 7-8 people. Glad both are upright and I hope the 10R rider is helping cover whatever damages you sustained.


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May 23, 2016, 09:24 PM

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Volunteering to ride in the rain....ok
Riding in the rain is no problem given the right gear and tires capable of doing it.

I rather enjoy riding in a bit of rain, as long as it's a while after the rain started.

But i'd never do it in an unfamiliar group


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May 23, 2016, 09:33 PM

That sucks. The problem with group rides is the unknown. Unknown of who you're riding with. The unknown of the structure the organizer has in place, or lack thereof. But then again you usually have to go on some rides to meet people and see who you like riding with and can trust. We used to go on group rides all the time but it was not advertised. The invites were handled via phone call or text and the groups rarely exceeded 7-8 people with a lead and sweeper.

You had an unfortunate incident. You came out of it uninjured and with minimal property damage. I'd say you had a bad experience but a great one at that.


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I don't like group rides where I don't know/haven't ridden with anyone. And I avoid them over maybe 7-8 people. Glad both are upright and I hope the 10R rider is helping cover whatever damages you sustained.
Right. With friends everyone knows each others capabilities and gives space accordingly. At least from my experience

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Glad you are ok. Let me guess route 211?
Hmm might be it.


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May 23, 2016, 09:48 PM

Sorry to hear. Street is not the track. Dude on the ZX10 lowsides and comes into your lane and takes you out? He owes you for whatever got fucked up.

Two best places to be on a group ride with riders of unknown skill and temperament - Leading or sweeping.


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May 23, 2016, 10:05 PM

The first time I went down was on a large (like 50 bikes) DCSB.Com group ride with a bunch of riders I didn't know.

Guy on a rat bike goes down at the exit of a blind S, I come out of the turn and there's a motorcycle spinning in the middle of road and I couldn't avoid it. Down I go.

Pretty much swore off those kinds of rides after that experience.

Sal, isn't this the 2nd accident you've had with this bike in less than 3 months? Call me superstitious, but I would get the feeling that bike has some bad ju-ju and consider selling it ... but that's just how my brain operates.

If you do keep it, I would look to Mr. Get A Knee Down In the Rain to contribute to the rebuild and repair fund.



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May 23, 2016, 10:10 PM

Ugh thats annoying... Solo rider here.

Really glad you and your bug .. I mean bike .. didn't get too messed up.

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May 23, 2016, 10:23 PM

Was it by any chance a ride from the Nova Riding Crew on facebook?
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May 23, 2016, 11:18 PM

Call me a novice, that i am, But isn't this an accident where you'd exchange insurance information and have them pay for it?
I hope to never be in such a situation, but shed some light here as i don't have any numbers for you guys in case of an emergency.

I'm a solo rider, but i'd like to go on a group ride one day... did many car meets where we go on twisty roads in our Mini


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May 23, 2016, 11:24 PM

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Call me a novice, that i am, But isn't this an accident where you'd exchange insurance information and have them pay for it?
I hope to never be in such a situation, but shed some light here as i don't have any numbers for you guys in case of an emergency.

I'm a solo rider, but i'd like to go on a group ride one day... did many car meets where we go on twisty roads in our Mini
By the book it's a reportable accident. The only catch is that cops have to be called in unless damage is exceedingly minimal. It boils down to calculating which may be worse, taking the chance that the party at fault won't be a stand up person, or taking a chance that the cops decide the accident was due to the two parties "racing" and tickets getting issued to all parties. Better to handle things among yourselves as a general rule.

Sometimes fault can be hard to determine. Coming around a corner and hitting a bike that is down is not necessarily the fault of the downed rider because in order to not be able to avoid them means technically you were out riding your sightlines or riding too close. However a rider coming up inside you and loosing control and sliding into your lane and hitting you is cut and dry.

If it took place on a track then the situation is different. There may be fault involved but it's a given that when you sign up to ride on a race track that shyt happens. Everyone takes care of their own damage regardless of what happened.


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