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December 1, 2003, 07:40 PM

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_art...?storyid=39605
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December 1, 2003, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ScOrCh
Good point:
"Police said Barkesdale's husband had been giving her a motorcycle riding lesson in the parking lot of the Mini Storage on Wylie Road when she lost control."

Bad point 1:
Liter bikes do NOT make good starter bikes (nor do 600cc supersport bikes either - skip the flames, we've been thru that thread several times)

Bad point 2:
"She did not have a helmet on and suffered serious head injuries in the crash. Barkesdale later died at Kennestone Hospital."

Aren't helmets required by law in Georgia?

edit: can't count...
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December 1, 2003, 10:25 PM

no helmet...learning on a r1??? geeez!!!
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December 1, 2003, 11:04 PM

Wow you think in a parking lot your safe right, well all she would have to do is pin the throttle for less then 3 seconds to ge to 60mph....


Thanks for the link.


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December 2, 2003, 09:57 AM

That sucks.

The husband has got to hate himself. No helmet? New rider...I mean come on. I wonder if this guy cleans his guns while loaded too.
I think many saw the video of the guy on the SV accelerating into a tree...kind of comical, I guess.

But I have taught a few people how to ride and I think most have rolled on the throttle hard at one point when they panic...a couple have done it with the clutch out and it did not take much to get my GS500 up to injury causing speed.

What a stupid, avoidable accident.
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December 2, 2003, 10:51 AM

I think that WOT happens more often then not, The first thing people do when the bike starts to go is hold on tighter, then the bike moving forwards makes their bodies move backwards inadvertantly twisting the trottle, which makes them go back farther, holding on tighter...bikes speeds up...now if this was a smaller bike, do you think the same thing would have happened?

I am just guessing as to the cause of how this lady died, and thinking through what could have helped in avoiding this.
I think we all know a helmet of course..but learning on an R1?

Wouldn't a Ninja 250 or 500 or smaller bike be better suited for a Parking lot crash course? (no pun intended)...


I think this fuels the fire of the fear of Newbies going out and getting new Bike: R6, GIXXER, RR whatever...

You have to remember, 5-10 years ago there was a larger acceleration time difference between a 600cc and 1000cc bike..this isn't the case anymore.

Just for an example:

Time MPH Rider Bike
10.98 sec 125.2 mph Telly Rogers 2000 YZF-R6
10.56 sec 135.0 mph Ryan Desmond YZF-R1 Stock


Both bikes can do 0-60 in under 4 seconds....
Claimed dry weight on an R1 is: 382 Lbs.
Claimed dry weight on an R6 is: 370 Lbs.

Imho I think it could be just as easy for the same women to have binned it on a R6 as a R1...

What do you think?
Are 600's really that much safer then 1000's (Liter bikes)


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December 2, 2003, 10:58 AM

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When one teaches newbies to ride usually one would teach them to keep their throttle wrist down so they CANNOT roll-on WOT. That may decrease the risk a little. Truly an unfortunate incident.
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December 2, 2003, 11:38 AM

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What do you think?
Are 600's really that much safer then 1000's (Liter bikes)
Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!

NOT........

not even an older F2/3, really,.......
they aren't 'state-of-the-art' NOW, but......

they WERE, just a few years ago.....

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December 2, 2003, 12:11 PM

In less than 2 seconds on a SS you have enough speed to die without a helmet on and our beloved wall/fence/dumpster/large immobile object of your choice encounter. On a normal bike it may be like 3-4 seconds. Dunno, but you hit anything with your head at 25-35mph I say you have a great shot of being fucked.

I think the point of this is the lack of gear, not the R1.
When I go out to torment the neighbors on the pocketbike I wear full gear. That thing (to me) is more dangerous than a real motorcylce.

The husband is the idiot IMO.
He must feel like total ass...
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December 2, 2003, 01:07 PM

My opinion doesn't matter any more than yours, but nowadays... unless you begin on a bike with the limited accelerative capacity of a Rebel 250 or comparable, it makes little or no difference whether you spend six months learning on an R6 or an R1. The safety difference is almost too marginal to measure.

However, it's after the learning curve flattens out (post six months) that you're going to increase your skills more confidently on a middleweight than on a liter bike. Ideally, I think a newbie street rider should spend six months on a 250, then a few years on a 600, and if interested, step-up to a liter bike after that.

Again, that's just MY ideal. Budgets are a factor, among a dozen other things to think about when you buy a bike. Like someone has said before me, a modern 600 is faster than literbikes were ten years ago. Thank goodness they're also a lot lighter. Now I'm already sick of this discussion, but saddened to hear someone was killed. You guys know it wasn't the R1, right?

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December 3, 2003, 06:53 PM

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When I started out I had a 500 many moons ago(which is equal to today's 600).

When you go down your head always hits the floor.

What 500 is equal to today's 600s? I need to get one of those.


How do you figure that your head always hits the ground when you crash?

10 crashes myself and only once has my head hit the ground. That was when I got hit from behind on the track. I landed flat on my back, sliding feet first and the back of my head only grazed the track.


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December 4, 2003, 12:39 AM

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When I tried teachn somone on my Bike in a parking Lot, He repetitivly Insisted He didn't need a Helmet..But when he paniced, grabbed the the throttle, and dropped the clutch, he was sure glad I Forced him to wear one. From then On, Ill stick to teachn peeps on (none 2 stroke) Dirt Bikes
What kepi, scared he would actually go faster than 2mph on your bike??? Id be more scared that he wouldnt be able to go fast enough
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December 7, 2003, 12:58 PM

goodway to get rid of the ole lady
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