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Alexandria City Hall -- 12/13/14 - December 9, 2014, 10:43 AM

The Alexandria police department has its officers going business to business, providing a flyer with **misinformation** on Virginia’s gun laws, targeting mostly open carry.

Unfortunately for the police, a VCDL member was present when they came into a restaurant this morning, handed a flyer to the owner, and chatted with the owner for a few minutes.

Afterward, the restaurant owner showed the VCDL member the flyer and said that the police told him that he didn’t have to allow open carry and if he saw somebody doing so, he could call the police!

While true - a business owner can call the police to enforce a trespass charge - it is certainly out of the ordinary for the police come into a business out of the blue and encourage a business owner to infringe on his customer's civil liberties.

The flyer particularly endangers 18 to 20 year olds as it incorrectly tells a store owner that if they see someone under 21-years-old with a handgun on their hip, that is illegal! That is NOT true and having the police show up on a bogus “man with a gun” call endangers everyone unnecessarily.

The flyer also makes these other FALSE claims about the law, which again could lead to unnecessary man-with-a-gun calls to the police:

* Open carry is not legal in churches

* Open carry is not legal in government buildings (we’ll show that’s not true when we flood their city hall on Saturday, December 13th - see below).

The flyer makes a point of saying that sometimes gun owners hold “demonstrations or events” to raise awareness of the constitutional right to keep and bear arms and those events “may cause alarm” and to call the police if the store owner sees “anything suspicious or of concern."

Aside from the blatant falsehoods, the flyer appears designed to demonize lawful open carry and to confuse and scare the business into calling the police to confront law-abiding gun owners. It does this by citing laws regarding reckless gun handling to paint a frightening image of gun owners brandishing and shooting up his establishment!

The police, of all people, should NOT mislead the public or actively seek to create a chilling effect on the exercise of civil liberties.

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You can see a copy of the offending flyer by clicking here:

https://vcdl.org/sites/default/files/Alexandria_Flyer.jpg


ACTION ITEMS

1. So openly carried guns aren’t allowed in government buildings? Let’s flood City Hall with gun owners wearing “Guns Save Lives” stickers on Saturday, December 13th from 9:30 AM to 10 AM during the public comment
period. I will certainly be open carrying to make the point that it is NOT illegal and hopefully educate the police at the same time. I will also address City Council about the egregiousness of the police targeting law-abiding gun owners exercising their right to openly carry handguns.

Address:

City Hall
Council Chamber
301 King Street
Alexandria, VA 22314

A big turnout would send a strong message that Virginia gun owners do not appreciate being discriminated against or having the police disseminating blatantly false, misleading, and inflammatory information to the public on gun laws.

2. Let’s also flood City Council with webmail. Click here:

http://request.alexandriava.gov/CCC/#tab...rvice=CNC_GROUP

or

http://tinyurl.com/lglaus8

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The Alexandria police are providing false, misleading, and inflammatory flyers to businesses about gun owners openly carrying handguns. It is not the role of the police to foment public bias against gun owners. Direct the police department to stop handing out the offending flyers and spend their time looking for criminals instead of encouraging unnecessary confrontations with law-abiding citizens who are doing nothing more than exercising an important civil right.

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If you are planning on attending the City Council hearing, respond to this and let me know. Thanks!


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December 9, 2014, 10:54 AM

Interesting.
I was always under the impression one had to be 21 before they could legally register and carry a handgun.

The rest though is utter nonsense. NoVA must be a pretty sleepy and boring place if all the police have to do with their time is run around fomenting and ginning up action calls and crimes.



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December 9, 2014, 11:08 AM

A 18-20 year old can not legally purchase a handgun from a dealer/ffl. They CAN purchase one legally from a private party. They can also legally receive one as a gift, usually from family/friend.


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Good on you for posting this up.
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December 9, 2014, 11:22 AM

Huh. . . . how 'bout that. Police abusing their authority? You don't say.


I always thought inciting public fear was a Tool of Terrorism.





If I had a gun (or even a permit) I'd definitely be there with you guys. Thanks for getting the word out.


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You don't need a permit or a gun. Your physical presence will be sufficient.


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Interesting.
I was always under the impression one had to be 21 before they could legally register and carry a handgun.

The rest though is utter nonsense. NoVA must be a pretty sleepy and boring place if all the police have to do with their time is run around fomenting and ginning up action calls and crimes.

What register are you talking about?


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You don't need a permit or a gun. Your physical presence will be sufficient.
I have a union meeting 9 to noon. Anything I can do after that?


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What register are you talking about?
Maybe Heist is not aware of the right VA residents have? Purchasing a new firearm is de facto registration, however purchasing a used firearm from a private party exempts people from necessarily needing to register a firearm.

Throughout history, registration always leads to confiscation sooner or later. It has never NOT led to confiscation. This is why many firearms owners prefer purchasing firearms used, person to person. It is not the government's business to know how many and what types of firearms you own. If you can legally own a firearm and choose to own one or many you aren't breaking any laws. Registering just gives the government a nice little list they can use against you when its time to "round em up"


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Maybe Heist is not aware of the right VA residents have? Purchasing a new firearm is de facto registration, however purchasing a used firearm from a private party exempts people from necessarily needing to register a firearm.

Throughout history, registration always leads to confiscation sooner or later. It has never NOT led to confiscation. This is why many firearms owners prefer purchasing firearms used, person to person. It is not the government's business to know how many and what types of firearms you own. If you can legally own a firearm and choose to own one or many you aren't breaking any laws. Registering just gives the government a nice little list they can use against you when its time to "round em up"
Yeah this is why I like to buy mine used. They don't need to know and the thought of a registry turns my stomach.


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A 18-20 year old can not legally purchase a handgun from a dealer/ffl. They CAN purchase one legally from a private party. They can also legally receive one as a gift, usually from family/friend.
Ah, ok. Wasn't aware private sales & transfers were excluded in VA.



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I think they edited it!

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Doesn't shock me they did this...Thank you anti-gun and anti-common sense Northern VA.


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Alexandria has been particularly anti-gun for a while. If you need the head of police's signature for something, NFA items or something, just go with a trust.
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