DCSportbikes.net  
» Help Support .NET!
DCSportbikes Premier Membership for 25$ per year. Discounts! Click here for full information.

Now available in the .NET Shop:



Get your DCSBN Gear!
» Shoutbox
Sorry, only registered users have the ability to use our real-time shoutbox to chat with other members.

Register now, it's free!
» Online Users: 494
5 members and 489 guests
2blueyam, beatle, GRN96WS6, nootherids, tonetone
Most users ever online was 4,519, September 2, 2015 at 03:26 AM.
Go Back   DCSportbikes.net > Sportbike Operation > Tips from the Experts

Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools
Clutchless shifting
Unread
  (#1)
Don't ask me,I'm Canadian
 
C2H5OH's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,047
Join Date: January 24, 2006
Location: Old Town Alexandria
Clutchless shifting - October 13, 2006, 06:51 PM

Does shifting without the clutch do damage? I've done it a few times and it seems to be smooth (i.e. no grinding or kapow!) Would be great to not have to use.My arms are going to fall off with all the cluch pulling.


ALL MY HEROES ARE RUSSIAN...GO CAPS!

Well you see, Norm, itís like thisÖA herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers.-Cliff Claven

  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#2)
whoa preppy......
 
Scot's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,064
Join Date: May 19, 2005
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
October 13, 2006, 07:47 PM

no. It's when you don't get it right that it causes problems.


2016 Concours 1400
2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Racer
2019 Honda Monkey
2019 Z900 ABS
  MySpace.com Page Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#3)
THE PATIENT
 
1hander's Avatar
 
Posts: 219
Join Date: July 31, 2006
Location: texas
October 13, 2006, 07:57 PM

no as long as you do it right, and i only do it during upshifts, never clutchless downshifts, its bad for the entire drivetrain,

during upshifts its much smoother clutchless, i just relax the throttle for a split second, put a little pressure n the shifter and it slides right in.
  Send a message via AIM to Send a message via Yahoo to 1hander  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#4)
Suddenly Superstitious!!!
 
MudDawg's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,391
Join Date: August 25, 2004
Location: Dulles
October 13, 2006, 09:17 PM

I race usign clutchless upshifts all the time. Problem is that the normal transmission gears are flat. So when you only partially engage you will stress...and ocassionally break...the gear's teeth. I know this firsthand having munched more than my fair share of transmissions into paperweights. (Two in one weekend is my personal best!!!)

Solution...get them undercut...both ways. That means that even if you partially miss...the gear faces are ever so slightly angled inwards. So pressure on them will actually orce them to engage better. Means little to no missed clutchless upshifts. Plus I've always found my bikes have shifted significantly smoother after this engine work. Of course you wil have to split the cases and have a full teardown. So it'snot for the feint of heart.

Good luck!

Oh yeah...some folks just go with a $75 shit kit. They have a roller bearing and stronger spring. Gives a firmer and smoother feel. I do both...shift kit and undercut tranny.


I want my baby back, baby back, baby back....Chileeeeee's bay back...
  Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to MudDawg  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#5)
singin sweet home alabama
 
DvlsAdvc8's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,174
Join Date: March 6, 2006
Location: Huntsville, AL
October 14, 2006, 12:37 AM

I just do the ol' two finger twitch when shifting.


"No race has ever been won in the first corner, but plenty have been lost there."
  MySpace.com Page Send a message via AIM to Send a message via MSN to DvlsAdvc8  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#6)
BE ENCOURAGED!
 
GUZZ's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,197
Join Date: June 23, 2003
Location: Shenandoah Valley, VA
October 14, 2006, 09:52 AM

I used to clutchless upshift my SV650S and RC51 all the time when I had them. I found it very smooth and a lot more fun to ride, especially after I went full synthetic. The only problem I had was every now and then on the RC51 it would pop back out of gear after a few hundred feet. I guess I wasn't shifting up hard enough. I tried not using the clutch in downshifts, but I suck at it because the thing would always jerk on me like crazy, so I always used the clutch after that.

My VTX1800 doesn't like clutchless shifting. I think it has to much torque.


FOREVER #47 "Walking In The Echo...."
Are you a 'Secret Believer"? Do you Conceal your faith from your family, friends and co-workers? Isn't it about time to step out of hiding and let others know whom you follow?
  Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to GUZZ Send a message via Skype™ to GUZZ 
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#7)
Signed up for Track Days!
 
Posts: 244
Join Date: August 3, 2005
Location: md
October 14, 2006, 01:15 PM

most racers do it but it occassionaly misses and u miss out on the drive. plus it does do damage if it pops back out or u hit it wrong like muddog said it will damage the drive train listen to him it sounds like hes had a few that damaged his drivetrain.
  MySpace.com Page Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#8)
Owner & Creator
 
Carnage's Avatar
 
Posts: 16,418
Join Date: June 11, 2003
Location: TROLL WORLD
October 14, 2006, 01:48 PM

I do it to upshift, if you miss its bad
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#9)
Signed up for Track Days!
 
cujo's Avatar
 
Posts: 333
Join Date: June 22, 2006
Location: Baltimore
October 17, 2006, 11:51 AM

Get a quick shifter you can upshift clutchelss with out rolling of the gas
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#10)
Site Owner
 
ClemsonJeeper's Avatar
 
Posts: 12,971
Join Date: March 9, 2004
Location: CashBurn, VA
October 17, 2006, 11:55 AM

quick shifter is soooo nice....


(O|||||||O) and (0OO\(||||)(||||)/OO0)

Help support DCSportbikes.net! Become a Premier Member today!

Katie #135.



Nudist: If Ben isnt still riding me, then I need it
B: that sounds odd
  Facebook Page Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to ClemsonJeeper  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#11)
Spectroscopist/adventurer
 
fireclown's Avatar
 
Posts: 518
Join Date: March 20, 2006
Location: Maryland
October 17, 2006, 02:07 PM

What's the advantage of a clutchless shift? It seems like it could be potentially hella bad for your drivetrain, and it isn't THAT hard to use a clutch. Especially if it is set close.
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#12)
Riding is like Sex. WEEE!
 
Rossi's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,034
Join Date: February 1, 2005
October 17, 2006, 02:10 PM

I rarely miss the upshifts.

I use the clutch to downshift all the time
I only use the clutch to upshift if I am below 9000 rpms


"Riding a race bike is an art - a thing that you do because you feel something inside."

"I don't like being famous - it is like a prison. And driving for Ferrari would make it far worse."

"I race to win. If I am on the bike or in a car it will always be the same."

"I'm Valentino Rossi. And I want to be a person, not an icon."

  Send a message via AIM to Send a message via Yahoo to Rossi Send a message via AIM to Rossi Send a message via Skype™ to Rossi 
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#13)
rdg
best avatar in the biz
 
rdg's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,097
Join Date: April 19, 2005
Location: me, the bike, or the crap that broke off?
October 17, 2006, 02:45 PM

anyone use the search function on this site? this topic comes up once every few months.
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#14)
Retired to most ...
 
JohnnySpeed1KRR's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,646
Join Date: May 17, 2005
Location: NoVa
October 17, 2006, 02:55 PM

I've never tried to clutchless upshift unless I'm above 10K RPM's.


God Speed Jeff! You'll never be forgotten.

BOOSTZX3 : in all seriousness head injuries ain't no joke. I've had around 10 concussions and now I ride a Buell Don't let it happen to you!
  Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to JohnnySpeed1KRR  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#15)
opossum puncher
 
zx6rfool's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,825
Join Date: June 9, 2003
Location: Winchester
October 17, 2006, 03:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossi
I rarely miss the upshifts.

I use the clutch to downshift all the time
I only use the clutch to upshift if I am below 9000 rpms
+1

As you read these replies I hope you've noticed the racing application implied by most clutchless shifting riders.


-
Attack Life! It's going to kill you anyway.

08 Z1000

Go Hokies!
  Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to zx6rfool  
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com
All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owner. The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2002-2010 by DCSportbikes.net. DCSportbikes.net is owned by End of Time Studios, LLC.