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constructive critisism. - October 12, 2009, 04:00 PM

What am I doing wrong? I was looking at this video last night and noticed my technique is wrong. As Rodger put it, I look like I am "rotating around the tank".
I am obviously trying to get off the bike, should all I be doing is trying to kiss my mirrors more? My head is not moving from one side to the other, it is basically staying stationary. The parts that I am looking at is from 30 seconds on. Any help would be appreciated. Yeah I know, go to the track. Some day.

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Curious on the answer. I always thought tucking in with a little counter balance.
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Curious on the answer. I always thought tucking in with a little counter balance.
i know, im ready for it.

kindof a loaded question


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October 12, 2009, 09:07 PM

I found that I needed to square my shoulders more with my hips.

1: Get my outside knee into the tank to help hold me and balance
2. Get most my ass off the seat
3. Chest down and squared to the turn
4. Head down and out
5. I personally keep my elbows in but I would think thats personal preference

Sitting back off the tank helps get your body in the right position.


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that is like the worst angle to try and offer advice from. '

but if I were to wager a guess based on what I could see from your arms and butt it looked to me like we were moving your ass from side to side, and thigh was hooking to where it needs to be but you were not moving forward at all.

Look at your arms on the clip ons when you turn, when you go left your right arm angle stays consistent, same for your left when you go right. If you were coming off and forward and truly getting your body forward your opposing arm would/should straighten out more as your shoulders moved forward.

Like I said, tough angle to judge from...but nice checkerboard fades!
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Sitting back off the tank helps get your body in the right position.
Prior to the turn I may agree, as you brake and set up and natural deceleration moves your weight forward and you do not want to overload the front - but in the turn you want to be rolling on and transferrng the weight of the bike to the rear for traction, so your body forward on the bike helps act as a counter balance to the natural momentum and weight shift as you roll on and help maintain front contact patch.

If everyone sat back thru turns with their weight we would make supersports look like motards, and probably see a 5000% increase in high sides in like a day or two.
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all your doing is moving your butt back and forth..

Im no expert so take my word with a grain of salt.

You need to twist your body more.. Get your head on a swivel, turn your shoulders

your hips should always be pointing the direction you want to go, with your inner butt cheek off of the seat.

http://www.youtube.com/user/rawdogg5.../3/kkaTGwfm53M

Compliments of ryan (mhrspeedy).

Watch how he gets his seat position, Then points his waste and puts out his knee last.

For me when I come into a turn, I get my arms in the right position, then my butt, waist chest and head.


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all your doing is moving your butt back and forth..
I like this summary the best. You're not really hanging off much to begin with, and when you are, it's only a bit with your lower body and almost not at all with the upper body.

Talk to someone who you think hands off great. In a parking lot, put the bike down on a kick stand. Show him how you hang off, and ask him to show you how he hangs off. You will immediately see where you should improve (hand off everywhere a lot more, outside elbow resting on the tank, basically) The big benefit of doing it in a parking lot at a standstill is that you get a good idea of what 'correct' position feels like.
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Scott, it's tough to say too much because of the wide angle lens. However, look at your head--it tends to stay over the vertical axis of the bike. Maybe you can work on exaggerating your upper body movement more. What always helps me as I'm setting up for and entering a corner is to square my shoulders and hips to the point I'm setting my gaze on, just beyond the apex of the turn. This forces you to slide back pretty far on the seat and push your inside shoulder out and back, moving your head inside of the vertical axis of the bike. I think of it as opening up and facing the target rather than ducking a shoulder toward the target. Like if somehow the bike is going to abruptly stop and hang in the air and your body is going to float in a straight line toward the point you are looking at, are you going to hit it square with your chest or are you going to hit it with your inside shoulder and butt? I hope this makes some sort of sense.


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I have been told these pointers which have helped me, and they're general pointers.

Some of you may recognize these.

1) Elbows up! Yes, I realize on the straights, it doesn't contribute to being aerodynamic, but in the corners, your elbows should be up. It's allows for better body form & position.

2) Move as if your upper body is in a ball joint at the hips/butt. As you turn your upper body to square the turn, it will assist in getting the bike to go the direction you want, as well as force the outside knee into the gas tank.

3) Take a class like Cornerspeed or Cornerspin!

4) Take it to the track.


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I like this summary the best. You're not really hanging off much to begin with, and when you are, it's only a bit with your lower body and almost not at all with the upper body.

Talk to someone who you think hands off great. In a parking lot, put the bike down on a kick stand. Show him how you hang off, and ask him to show you how he hangs off. You will immediately see where you should improve (hand off everywhere a lot more, outside elbow resting on the tank, basically) The big benefit of doing it in a parking lot at a standstill is that you get a good idea of what 'correct' position feels like.
+1 on this. Get someone to critique your body position while stationary. And even than a kickstand is to put the bike on a rear stand. Just make sure not to hang off TOO far.


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