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DAMPER: Why I only buy Scotts Performance
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DAMPER: Why I only buy Scotts Performance - April 7, 2011, 07:39 AM

I recently ordered mount bracket kits for two bikes, my KTM 690 SMC and my Beta 450 RR. I already have a Scotts steering damper on my zx10r (thanks again yzl Craig), and I intend to use the same damper on whichever of my three bikes I want to ride at a particular time until I can pick up another damper unit. The guys at Scotts called me and worked out all of the details for going across all three bikes, which turned out to be a fairly tall order by me. These guys were fast and extremely helpful!

I just got the package last night, and the craftsmanship on these pieces is outstanding. When one considers this and the features of the Scotts Performance damper, the choice is clear. Scotts devours the competition.



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April 7, 2011, 08:20 AM

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i brought this unit back in 2004 for my 04 ZX10R. I then used it on my 05 zx6 race bike, then 06 ZX10R race bike, then 08 ZX10R. i use to use it on two bikes back in 04/05, but now i just leave it on the race bike and recomend it to everyone.

I just had it serviced this year for the frist time.





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+2 I just got the Scotts for my KTM530 and was blown away by the craftsmanship!


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I mentioned to them about maybe going with GPR on the Beta because GPR makes a SUB mount for the bike. The Scotts guy told me he would refund me the money for the bracket, if I really wanted to, but then he started asking me what I wanted from the damper. I told him I wanted to run the low-speed damping relatively loose and still have high-speed damping for sudden bumps and jarring, and especially to damp the bar whip from falling. He said that GPR, their main competitor, won't offer that. Apparently GPR has no independent, high-speed damping. What you set the GPR damper to is what you get, all the time, fast or slow.

Another reason I stuck with Scotts Performance.


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Did you get the street (damping back to center) or offroad (no damping back to center) version.

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Scotts manufactures 2 different stabilizers, a road bike version and an
off-road version. Both units share the same physical size and
appearance, the main differences are in the valving design. Below is a
very brief description of the differences between the 2 styles.

The off-road damper is a non-rebound stabilizer, which means, as it
sweeps away from center it has damping but the moment it changes
direction back toward center the damping is free until it reaches
center
again, hence the term non-rebound or free-rebound. This was an
important
development in the off-road damper and is what makes our damper work so
well. It's design is to allow the rider to correct for constant slides
associated with off-roading while not fighting with the damping forces
back to center. It's a serious advantage for the off-road rider. This
feature helps prevent the common syndrome known as arm pump. Our
stabilizer is the only one made with this feature.

The road bike damper design requires a totally different function and
therefore is a rebound damper. A road bike is primarily leaned, not
steered, and the damping forces need to be absorbed in both directions
to maintain constant stability, due to the nature of the energy needing
to be absorbed.

Can they be interchanged? Yes.

Are you receiving all the advantages you could by using the off road
unit on a road bike application or vice versa? No.

Is there a big difference? That is an individual opinion. Using your
dirt bikedamper on your road bike would still be a vast improvement
over no damper at all and the same goes for using a road bike damper on
a dirt bike. Some customers who have tried switching from one to the
other say, they feel no difference. Others claim there is a huge
difference. So you see, it's truly personal preference. There are
other internal differences between the 2 stabilizers which would take a
lot longer to explain. The best bet is always to use the right damper
for the right application. However, we could not tell you that they
don't work when switched for the other application, it's just that they
work better when used as designed for the right application.

There are always specific applications that might favor one type or the
other depending on the situation. We make our suggestions based on our
testing and what the majority of our customer base prefers. You have
the option to specify whichever unit you prefer when ordering.

Thank You,
Jake
Scotts Performance
818-248-6747


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April 7, 2011, 01:33 PM

^^^^ true, and if you look on the sides of the scotts you can lock up left and right..meaning you can set up the damper to be real tight on the right...and lose on the left or what ever. one screw on both sides...

I have no idea what you would use that for...maybe oval flat track...not sure.
GPR cost almost the same and dont offer the high and low speed settings.


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Now let's talk cost


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Now let's talk cost
$400 range....


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I don't use a damper. Even if its on the bike, its off. Helps me go faster.
with WERA you have to have one...dont have to be on but must have it.

i normaly never go past 3 clicks to 5 clicks max out of 22 clicks.
its only to keep the bars from tank slaping.


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$400 range....




with WERA you have to have one...dont have to be on but must have it.

i normaly never go past 3 clicks to 5 clicks max out of 22 clicks.
its only to keep the bars from tank slaping.
Bike has one on it. I'd rather have a cup holder.
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scotts damper we be the first thing I'll get on a future bike
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Did you get the street (damping back to center) or offroad (no damping back to center) version.
I have a street damper that I'll run on the zx10r and SMC, and I plan to buy an off-road damper for the Beta, just not this month since my liquid a$$ets are used up at the moment.

Not everyone needs a steering stabilizer. However, for anyone with a supermoto or dual sport or streetfighter with handle bars and not clipons, I strongly recommend it. Let me explain. I fell back in January on my right side. My left wrist was broken from impact back into my wrist from my hand. This was a result of the right end of the bar hitting the pavement and then snapping forward, driving the left grip backward in a snapping motion, back into my hand and wrist. Result: broken distal radius and some ligament tearing. I am willing to bet that a Scotts damper with high-speed damping would have taken enough edge off the bar whip for me to suffer only a bruised, not broken wrist. Therefore, I'm now going to run a stabilizer on the SMC not for going fast, not for looking cool, not because the bike is unstable, but because it will likely reduce the severity of my wrist injury in my next crash.


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Now let's talk cost
All the stuff I just ordered totaled up to around $520 shipped. They said they would cut me a deal on the offroad stabilizer when I'm ready to buy it since I just bought two mount kits from them.

690 SMC SUB mount kit
450 RR over bar mount kit
custom step link lever for going between three different bikes
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To be honest on my 690 Duke I don't feel the need for one until I start going thru fast sweepers or doing wheelies. But on my 530 it needed one from day one. The steering is so light it felt like nothing was there and any bump or seam in the pavement would cause a head shake. Now for off road it is a must. Most sport bikes come from the factory with one. I most likely will by a mount for the 690 soon.


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do you use an on-road or off-road damper on your bike? which one is better to have for something like a supermoto track with a dirt section?


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