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Outside Peg/Inside peg - April 2, 2009, 11:18 PM

Have been thinking about the proper weight distribution on the footpegs for a while now .. Keith wrote something about pivot point in his book and also found this post by him
http://forums.superbikeschool.com/in...?showtopic=714

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umm guess this answers it all
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showpos...58&postcount=2

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umm guess this answers it all
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showpos...58&postcount=2

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Actually, I disagree. You want to weight the inside peg on corner exits to prevent the bike from running wide while getting on the gas early. You weight the outside peg on a dirt bike, but street bikes are radically different.
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Actually, I disagree. You want to weight the inside peg on corner exits to prevent the bike from running wide while getting on the gas early. You weight the outside peg on a dirt bike, but street bikes are radically different.

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Have been thinking about the proper weight distribution on the footpegs for a while now .. Keith wrote something about pivot point in his book and also found this post by him
http://forums.superbikeschool.com/in...?showtopic=714

Any other technical info will be greatly appreciated .. tx
code was referring to pivot points for steering rather than weighting for turns ....so by the described method, if you are pushin/ pivoting from that peg you are applying weight...

"Using the outside peg as your pivot point -while pressure is being
applied to the bars, either by just pushing or using a combination push and
pull-
reduces your weight on the seat and puts the majority of your
weight on that lower, outside peg.
.."

"Pivot steering solves it. When pushing off from the outside peg, you rather automatically
go with the bike. Pivot steering answers the reason behind push-it-understeering
as well. In the push-it-under scenario, the rider simply
didn't have
a stable pivot point
and was attempting to use his own body mass for

stability."


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Someone correct me if I'm wrong...
1) You weigh the outside foot peg when entering the corner to help steer the bike (pressure lasts 1-3 seconds depending on how fast you turn). You should be done with braking at this point and you maintain a constant throttle going into the turn
2) then "melt" into the seat through the corner
3) smoothly accelerate out of the turn while applying some pressure to the inside foot peg?
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong...
1) You weigh the outside foot peg when entering the corner to help steer the bike (pressure lasts 1-3 seconds depending on how fast you turn). You should be done with braking at this point and you maintain a constant throttle going into the turn
2) then "melt" into the seat through the corner
3) smoothly accelerate out of the turn while applying some pressure to the inside foot peg?
1) If you apply pressure to the outside footpeg while entering the corner, it's going to make it much more difficult to actually get the thing turned in. Personally, I don't make a conscious effort to weight either peg unless I'm having a really hard time getting the bike out of the turns.

2) I'm not sure what you mean by "melting" into the seat. I get my body position set while I'm still straight up and down on the brakes.

3) yes.
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is putting more weight to the outside peg = pushing the cg towards the outside?.. I need a diagram with all the vector forces and resultant vectors


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is putting more weight to the outside peg = pushing the cg towards the outside?.. I need a diagram with all the vector forces and resultant vectors
No.

If your body is in the same place it doesn't matter what peg you're standing on. The Center of Gravity doesn't change.
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If your body is in the same place it doesn't matter what peg you're standing on. The Center of Gravity doesn't change.

this is why you hang off the bike and relocate your body position to change that center of gravity


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this is why you hang off the bike and relocate your body position to change that center of gravity
Exactly. It's all about Body Position. Which foot of yours gets sore from all the weight has nothing to do with it.

If you need to weight one peg or the other so that you can get better Body Position, so be it.
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As I am approaching a corner, I will get on the brakes and while braking shift my weight to the appropriate side. Once I shift the weight I get my posture ready for tip-in. As I tip in I extend my knee and move my head forward and out to the corner direction while squaring up my shoulders.

After tip-in I weight the inside peg and lean the bike more. Mid-corner I keep my body position steady and control the throttle. At apex, I begin to roll throttle in while visually spotting my exit target (not where I'm going but where I want to go). I continue hanging off the bike near exit while picking the bike up and rolling in more throttle (depending on track conditions). Once the bike is more upright I'll find the throttle stop and feel for any rear wheel slip and adjust my body position accordingly.
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Exactly. It's all about Body Position. Which foot of yours gets sore from all the weight has nothing to do with it.

If you need to weight one peg or the other so that you can get better Body Position, so be it.
I dont agree that it doesnt mater .. bike's lean angle will vary depending on which peg ur weight is .. whole objective is to maximize speed with minimized lean angle .. quick test would be shifting weights from one peg to the other in a sweeper and see what happens .. don't blame me for the consequences though


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Exactly. It's all about Body Position. Which foot of yours gets sore from all the weight has nothing to do with it.

If you need to weight one peg or the other so that you can get better Body Position, so be it.
That's kinda how I feel as well. As I've said before, the only time I ever make an effort to weight the inside peg is when the bike is constantly running wide on corner exit.
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