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August 29, 2013, 12:30 PM

Ok so it's a personal thing.

I'm getting pretty good at not using the rear. As a matter of fact, I don't think I have used it at all in the past couple of times I've gone out riding.

And speaking of MSF, either I don't remember this (and I do have a bad memroy), but they never touched crap like this in MSF. They were mostly worried about keeping the bike upright. And worried about the nervous ones and kept focusing on them rather than teaching key information. But then again, I took it at NOVA, so I'm not sure if that says anything.

I'm completely fine with using my fronts only, and I'm good at making it a habit to using rear for emergency situations only. I'll focus on that from now on.


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Ok so it's a personal thing.

And speaking of MSF, either I don't remember this (and I do have a bad memroy), but they never touched crap like this in MSF.
If they didn't touch on the subject of brakes how did the noobs stop? LOL.


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If they didn't touch on the subject of brakes how did the noobs stop? LOL.
Hahaha, they tell you which is brake and which is clutch of course, they just don't go in depth. I'm really not sure if I got the 80/20 from them or just fellow riders. If I was to guess, I'd say fellow riders.

Edit: In all honesty I didn't learn much in that class, other than to look where I turn, to get off the seat when going over a bump, and to never look down when breaking. Everything else I've learned has been from experience and other riders.


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August 29, 2013, 12:59 PM

I used my rear brake 4 times this season.... all 4 times it went through tech

on a srs note: it's one more thing to think about. Do you need the extra little tiny bit of braking power? I'd say focus on one thing at a time. using the rear is going to take away mental focus on other more important things and could leave your foot out of position for right handers.

I've been racing/on track for a few years now, and I've still never used it. I trail hard on the front, but I don't mess with the rear. Maybe one day I'll try it out, but honestly I don't have a need at this point. I feel really strong on the front and trying to introduce the rear will be weird


On the street, yea all the time


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August 29, 2013, 08:42 PM

MSF preaches using both brakes.
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August 29, 2013, 08:47 PM

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Nootherids, have you ever taken the MSF?


There is NO part of the curriculum that teaches to only use one brake


Bottom line: if you're not using the rear brake as well, you're losing out on 20-40 percent of your stopping power depending on the bike, and that can (and does) frequently cause people to wreck due to not stopping fast enough


If you're not good at using both competently , practice


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Hahaha, they tell you which is brake and which is clutch of course, they just don't go in depth. I'm really not sure if I got the 80/20 from them or just fellow riders. If I was to guess, I'd say fellow riders.

Edit: In all honesty I didn't learn much in that class, other than to look where I turn, to get off the seat when going over a bump, and to never look down when breaking. Everything else I've learned has been from experience and other riders.
You clearly weren't paying attention. Braking is covered in detail, including how to recover from wheels locking up, etc


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Bottom line: if you're not using the rear brake as well, you're losing out on 20-40 percent of your stopping power depending on the bike, and that can (and does) frequently cause people to wreck due to not stopping fast enough


If you're not good at using both competently , practice
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I respectfully disagree.
You can if you'd like. Science agrees with me.


On the track, threshold braking to a complete stop isn't a common need, or not nearly as common as on the street

On the street, it's a vital skill. Not using the rear can add quite a bit of stopping distance.


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OP... Stop using the rear brakes on the street COMPLETELY!

Truth is that the rear brakes are very useful in many situations whether on track or street. But your problem is that you've made a habit of using the as your primary stopping source. While you may THINK that in an emergency situation you would know that the front is more important, at that moment your body first turns to habit and then to logic. By that time it can be too late.

Break that habit completely, I would even go as far as to disconnect it altogether, and learn to use the front brake only. THEN after you're fully comfortable 110% with the front alone, then you can reintroduce the rear brake as a tool to use when you consciously choose to rather than an automatic motor function.

Preventing bad habits like this is one of the reasons the MSF teaches to just never use it at all.

Disclaimer: I do use my rear brake regularly and consciously for many situations.

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You can if you'd like. Science agrees with me.


On the track, threshold braking to a complete stop isn't a common need, or not nearly as common as on the street

On the street, it's a vital skill. Not using the rear can add quite a bit of stopping distance.
Wtf. Physics says the opposite.
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August 29, 2013, 09:16 PM

I remember seeing an interview with a Brembo tech for motogp. He was talking about the different braking preferences of the riders in the paddock and the set ups brembo has for them. When it came to rear breaks he said some riders in the paddock use it every corner, some use it every now and then, and for others it's just there to pass tech.


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Wtf. Physics says the opposite.
Explain


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Where does the weight go when you decelerate or hit the brakes?
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Where does the weight go when you decelerate or hit the brakes?
Forward.


Hence 80 front 20 rear under hard braking.


What's your point


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