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HOW TO: Backing it in - January 4, 2010, 10:31 AM

Been meaning to post this article for awhile but hadn't gotten around to it. This really helped me out when I got my rude awakening to supermoto racing. It's a good article that explains the technique pretty well.

Don't get me wrong, it's not something I can do on a normal basis but having some idea of what's going on is better than going in unarmed.
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Point to ponder:
Is the rear actually stepping out?


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Repost from years ago!!!! But still good. Hell yesterday I started to get the rear of the bike moving around more setting me up for some block passing. I am getting it but it is gonna take me a while. Oh and this is really hard to do with a slipper clutch!!!!


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Point to ponder:
Is the rear actually stepping out?
Do you mean that as "Are you actually stepping it out Stillie?" or "Is the bike actually sideways when someone backs it in?"


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Do you mean that as "Are you actually stepping it out Stillie?" or "Is the bike actually sideways when someone backs it in?"
Talking about the bike.
I'd never talk about your bike skills!

My question was the physics.
Is the rear wheel actually stepping out?


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Talking about the bike.
I'd never talk about your bike skills!

My question was the physics.
Is the rear wheel actually stepping out?
Or relative lack thereof.

Everyone has heard the "Oh I was sliding so much" statement and the bike moved maybe an inch. Thought that's where you were going with it.

As for the physics, I had wondered that myself. Was the chassis actually stepped out from the rear or was the bike changing direction as a whole? I got my answer the first time I watched the fast guys do it. The rear is clearly hung out while still in the braking zone. The front gets rotated around somewhere near the apex and the business gets applied.

Pretty amazing to me but in a different way. I watch that and think "I can do that, just need time." Whereas I watch guys like Arnie, JMFV, and even Captain Homo and think "Whatever it is they have, I don't".


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Or relative lack thereof.

Everyone has heard the "Oh I was sliding so much" statement and the bike moved maybe an inch. Thought that's where you were going with it.

As for the physics, I had wondered that myself. Was the chassis actually stepped out from the rear or was the bike changing direction as a whole? I got my answer the first time I watched the fast guys do it. The rear is clearly hung out while still in the braking zone. The front gets rotated around somewhere near the apex and the business gets applied.

Pretty amazing to me but in a different way. I watch that and think "I can do that, just need time." Whereas I watch guys like Arnie, JMFV, and even Captain Homo and think "Whatever it is they have, I don't".
That's where I'm going to disagree with you.
Notice that there needs to be some lean angle to "back it in"?

I think the front is heading towards the turn and the rear is continuing on the trajectory prior to the lean (straight).

Looks a trip to Cornerspin would help.
Seriously, it's helped me.

But you can't compare guys like Jimmy, Arnie, and WKDBLD.
They are on another level.

I've never seen Capt Homo ride like that.


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Wouldn't it be cool to teach cornerspin at Allsports? Maybe someone should try that.


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Wouldn't it be cool to teach cornerspin at Allsports? Maybe someone should try that.
Too much traction and too many Tuffblocks to hit.

The lack of traction on dirt helps find the limit easier.
And the flattrack at Cornerspin has amazing traction during that part of the instruction.

The cool thing is that it still applies.
The limit is the limit no matter the surface.


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Good article.

Goes really in depth. I was taught to use your legs to control the slide and it is what I do when it happens.


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That's where I'm going to disagree with you.
Notice that there needs to be some lean angle to "back it in"?

I think the front is heading towards the turn and the rear is continuing on the trajectory prior to the lean (straight).

Looks a trip to Cornerspin would help.
Seriously, it's helped me.

But you can't compare guys like Jimmy, Arnie, and WKDBLD.
They are on another level.

I've never seen Capt Homo ride like that.
Unless I'm interpreting what you're saying wrong, we aren't really disagreeing at all! The rear comes out while the bike is straight up and down and progresses through the lean as the bike turns. If the lean didn't happen, then you'd simply highside yourself into oblivion.

I know it. I wish I could do it something fierce but money and preggers won't allow it for now. I got the fire back but I'm not missing the birth of my first daughter for moto pursuits.

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The other problem is that he doesn't look fast. The bike is never out of control and he never moves much. It just does it. Given more time, I can only imagine where he would have been. Super smooth and well controlled. Kind of like Jimmers....

The Arnies and JMFV's of the world are definitely on another level but you can even break down what they are doing. Arnie is like a machine, same movement, same time, some spot. Jimmy....lol...well...<Jimmy Voice>You just play with the throttle guy...just a play with it...Ben is still in bed</Jimmy Voice>


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January 4, 2010, 01:33 PM

You need 2 things in order to get a bike to slide. Speed and lean angle... That's it. "backing it in" while straight up and down isn't backing it in... It's skidding.

I don't know what prompted me to post this... I guess I just wanted to get my 2 cents in...

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January 4, 2010, 01:36 PM

Since attending Cornerspin...I dont believe in "backing it in".
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That's where I'm going to disagree with you.
Notice that there needs to be some lean angle to "back it in"?

I think the front is heading towards the turn and the rear is continuing on the trajectory prior to the lean (straight).

Looks a trip to Cornerspin would help.
Seriously, it's helped me.

But you can't compare guys like Jimmy, Arnie, and WKDBLD.
They are on another level.

I've never seen Capt Homo ride like that.
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You need 2 things in order to get a bike to slide. Speed and lean angle... That's it. "backing it in" while straight up and down isn't backing it in... It's skidding.

I don't know what prompted me to post this... I guess I just wanted to get my 2 cents in...

And stillie... Why donyou have to be all gay about everything?

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Look Jimmy, come back and talk to me when you're done being such a buddy fucker during rider's meetings.

Once again, I'm not disputing what is and what isn't backing it in. I'm just saying it can start when the bike is straight up and down. There are turns at Englishtown NJ that give you the opportunity to start it from both the lean and when it's upright.


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