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nesba discriminates against Motards - August 22, 2008, 07:16 PM

http://tracktalk.nesba.com/showthread.php?t=1245
http://tracktalk.nesba.com/showthread.php?t=1070


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August 22, 2008, 09:57 PM

I can see where they are coming from, but I think motards can work at more tracks in B group. For example, Shenandoh and Beaverun.

Regardless, I think they should just make a more general policy that includes more bikes. (cruisers, 250s, etc) Closing discreptancies of 50+ miles are not safe, and it's a good thing they are taking a proactive apprach to this issue.

I do like motards, and I see this as a good development because there will be more incentive for someone else to put on Motard only - and motard specific - TDs.
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I can see where they are coming from, but I think motards can work at more tracks in B group. For example, Shenandoh and Beaverun.

Regardless, I think they should just make a more general policy that includes more bikes. (cruisers, 250s, etc) Closing discreptancies of 50+ miles are not safe, and it's a good thing they are taking a proactive apprach to this issue.

I do like motards, and I see this as a good development because there will be more incentive for someone else to put on Motard only - and motard specific - TDs.
I have no problem on the ban if it made sense... As of right now it's banning single cylinder dirtbikes with 17s.. It's a motard only ban... I know for a fact I am faster than a number of bikes - some of which is the rider - but I would bet my 625 is faster than the 250's and some 500's... Base it on something other than it looks like a dirt bike


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August 23, 2008, 02:19 AM

The motards can't compete on main.... fact... maybe in one case out of 500, other than that it still remains that a 600 will top 140 with a noob on the front straight and a tard will max out at 95 no matter who is riding it.

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I agree with Witold - the speed at which I would close the distance with a motard on the straight at Main could be considered unnecessarily dangerous....don't get me wrong, I love motards (I even want one), but straight lines are not a motards friend when in the company of big sportbikes.


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I guess the thing I dont get, is with the popularity of these bikes now, why not start a new class or group? I think it would catch on pretty fast and if speed is the factor I am not sure it would matter if you are a beginner or advanced.

I guess the only downside to that that I see is one more group means less sessions for the others, but I guess it is a trade off. Perhaps do a half the price thing for Motards and allow them to go out every other time or something would be a possiblity. Just an idea.


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I have no problem on the ban if it made sense... As of right now it's banning single cylinder dirtbikes with 17s.. It's a motard only ban... I know for a fact I am faster than a number of bikes - some of which is the rider - but I would bet my 625 is faster than the 250's and some 500's... Base it on something other than it looks like a dirt bike
Its also a ban on twin-cylinders like the SXV 550, which can compete with the SV on everything except top end.


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August 23, 2008, 09:57 AM

the top end is what they are worried about....but if closing speed is the issue, why not ban the following:
1. a-holes on literbikes who brake before the 6 marker and I'm going 50mph faster than them on my SV into the brake zone
2. a-holes on [fill in the blank] who check up mid corner, with people going much faster behind them

I think its the closing speed in the areas where the acceleration/decceleration is the highest are the danger zones...corner exit and entry, because its most difficult for a human to judge speed when the speed is rapidly changing. As far as on the straight? give me a break, two bikes slowly accelerating and one rider cant tell the other is going substantially slower? so what? I've seen more close calls due to smaller bikes braking deeper than bigger bikes and thus nearly ass-packing the guys who just passed them.


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Its also a ban on twin-cylinders like the SXV 550, which can compete with the SV on everything except top end.
I think it has more to do with the differences between the advantages of a sportsbike vs a motard. WHile a motard doesn't have the top speed it does have the superior cornering ability... I think it's more the sportsbike riders don't like being passed thru the turns by bikes they just passed in the straights.. Otherwise nesba would be banning other less hp bikes


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I don't think that has anything to do with it at all.


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1. a-holes on literbikes who brake before the 6 marker and I'm going 50mph faster than them on my SV into the brake zone
2. a-holes on [fill in the blank] who check up mid corner, with people going much faster behind them
They are banning bikes that will never - no matter how good the rider is - overcome their inherent disadvantage.

They already address the 2 scenarios above by dividing people into different-rules groups so that riders are in a group that has similar skills to himself.

I agree with Hondahawk that it should be based on HP/clearance alone.
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WHile a motard doesn't have the top speed it does have the superior cornering ability...
Every motard rider says this, but I have yet to see anything to back this up. I have followed motards on the track (JC and Beaverun) and on the street, and they don't seem to corner any better than I corner.

I guess a motard may be able to do better on super ultra twisty corners - parking lot kind/go kart type - but I'm not sure that is true for regular sized corners like on roads like 33 or tracks like Beaverun. Even then, when I see the Rossi clip from when he was a kid and riding a sportbike through some gokart track backing it in everywhere, makes me think that sportbikes can do just as well on those super tight tracks if they back it in as well...
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